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[39] 9.8 icons & reaction
Not too many icons this week because I'm hosting Thanksgiving tomorrow and have been attempting to clean my house most of the day lol. Hope all my American flisters have a great holiday, and all my non-American flisters eat a shit ton of food in solidarity \o/
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And some not-so-deep thoughts:
-Can we all just agree that the writing is terrible?
-I mean, for a long time.
-And if you loved S8 and are outraged about S9
-Then you probably have "destielwuvshugs" in your tumblr name
-Shush, it's true
-With that being said, this one was filler
-Loved Sheriff Sassy, who remains flawless
-Loved her haircut and her Sheriff jacket
-And that she's finding her place in the world again
-And remains uncertain about some things and secure and strong about others
-Plus she ships wincest
-I mean, hello, people! :D
-You could tell the virgins by their eyebrows
-It's true
-Science
-Not sure why they were using their real names
-I expected John Holmes or something
-Glad to see the Death Peen is resistant to LOLCANON
-That sex monologue felt like I was spying on a meeting at Ackles Army HQ
-Why does the fat girl steal the cookies?
-I mean, that bothered me the most about the whole episode lol
-That's probably my ass talking, though
-Oh, I take it back
-The stupidest thing was Dean not answering Sam's call
-That was dumb
-The sex scene itself didn't bother me like it did some people
-I'm all for two consenting human adults having sex
-Especially on a show where sex usually involves noncon or monsters
-And how fucking sad is that?
-Low standards, yo
-I found the line about "you're the good dreams" quite telling
-Proof of my theory that Dean clings to/enjoys the small comforts
-Sex/porn/burgers/classic rock/making fun of his little brother's stupid hair
-For small, happy moments in a really shitty life
-We take comfort where we can, and there's nothing wrong with that
-The scene was cheesy because it was badly written as a porn pastiche
-But I didn't see any sort of coercion
-He was fangirling her like Dr. Sexy almost
-Suzy still had the DVDS, which tells me that she perhaps "missed that" like she later says
-People are often shamed into thinking sex is bad, especially if they were in sex work
-And sometimes they go too far into the opposite direction
-And right into the arms of another form of manipulation
-Yes, I mean religion.
-And then someone tells her not to be ashamed
-And that she has provided comfort
-And she (rather enthusiastically) decides to take what she wants
-Which was her choice and again, consent matters
-And only feels some guilt later when she's "punished", which is of course a fear embedded in the act of shaming
-But, as we know, God in this universe is banging strippers in Australia, SO.
-So, yes, awkward writing/pacing and cheesy, but I'm not layering angst on what looked like a good time had by all
-And to people that haven't realized Dean Winchester is an asshole yet...
-Oh, you!
-On a completely shallow note, Suzy was super cute and looked way hot with Jensen
-Back to the Sam Winchester Unconsciousness Tour of 2013
-I was waiting for Jody to die so Zeke heal her as Dean cradled her face, voice breaking
-Sam being dead inside...does that make Sam/Dean necro?
-Another Sam/Ruby parallel!
-This isn't going to end well, is it?
All caps by
screencappednet And some not-so-deep thoughts:
-Can we all just agree that the writing is terrible?
-I mean, for a long time.
-And if you loved S8 and are outraged about S9
-Then you probably have "destielwuvshugs" in your tumblr name
-Shush, it's true
-With that being said, this one was filler
-Loved Sheriff Sassy, who remains flawless
-Loved her haircut and her Sheriff jacket
-And that she's finding her place in the world again
-And remains uncertain about some things and secure and strong about others
-Plus she ships wincest
-I mean, hello, people! :D
-You could tell the virgins by their eyebrows
-It's true
-Science
-Not sure why they were using their real names
-I expected John Holmes or something
-Glad to see the Death Peen is resistant to LOLCANON
-That sex monologue felt like I was spying on a meeting at Ackles Army HQ
-Why does the fat girl steal the cookies?
-I mean, that bothered me the most about the whole episode lol
-That's probably my ass talking, though
-Oh, I take it back
-The stupidest thing was Dean not answering Sam's call
-That was dumb
-The sex scene itself didn't bother me like it did some people
-I'm all for two consenting human adults having sex
-Especially on a show where sex usually involves noncon or monsters
-And how fucking sad is that?
-Low standards, yo
-I found the line about "you're the good dreams" quite telling
-Proof of my theory that Dean clings to/enjoys the small comforts
-Sex/porn/burgers/classic rock/making fun of his little brother's stupid hair
-For small, happy moments in a really shitty life
-We take comfort where we can, and there's nothing wrong with that
-The scene was cheesy because it was badly written as a porn pastiche
-But I didn't see any sort of coercion
-He was fangirling her like Dr. Sexy almost
-Suzy still had the DVDS, which tells me that she perhaps "missed that" like she later says
-People are often shamed into thinking sex is bad, especially if they were in sex work
-And sometimes they go too far into the opposite direction
-And right into the arms of another form of manipulation
-Yes, I mean religion.
-And then someone tells her not to be ashamed
-And that she has provided comfort
-And she (rather enthusiastically) decides to take what she wants
-Which was her choice and again, consent matters
-And only feels some guilt later when she's "punished", which is of course a fear embedded in the act of shaming
-But, as we know, God in this universe is banging strippers in Australia, SO.
-So, yes, awkward writing/pacing and cheesy, but I'm not layering angst on what looked like a good time had by all
-And to people that haven't realized Dean Winchester is an asshole yet...
-Oh, you!
-On a completely shallow note, Suzy was super cute and looked way hot with Jensen
-Back to the Sam Winchester Unconsciousness Tour of 2013
-I was waiting for Jody to die so Zeke heal her as Dean cradled her face, voice breaking
-Sam being dead inside...does that make Sam/Dean necro?
-Another Sam/Ruby parallel!
-This isn't going to end well, is it?
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I don't buy that Dean had never been kissed at 16. According to writer Adam Glass, he made Dean 14 in Bad Boys but when they saw Dylan Everett, they thought he looked older and changed Dean's age to 16. That's why Sam looked much younger than 12. If we take John Winchester's journal as a canon timeline (and Kripke did approve it) then Dean had a girlfriend at age 14. I don't take Bad Boys as canon as far as Dean's age then. I think that his genesis to being a Romeo is much more natural and convincing too if he were younger.
Lydia -- yeah that would take the wind out of any guy's sails. I wasn't surprised that he turned down Ellie because he was dealing with hellhounds, but I would have thought his request for a rain check would have been more convincing. I liked seeing him back to his old self with Suzy; although I found him ignoring Sam's repeated calls in the middle of a hunt problematic. The G-rated sex scenes are weird. If rumor is to be believed, Jensen has a "no nipples" clause in his contract now. I can understand the actors not wanting to go around half naked in every ep, but sometimes the scene calls for it, and it is really out of character for Dean.
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As for the whole 'Bad Boys' thing Dylan would have passed for 14 so they created an issue out of nothing and skewed the time line which is a shame cause Sam looked more unreasonably young than Dean did old which is a shame cause it was a great ep aside from that. Yep I go by John's journal when I want to look stuff up too it's a great resources. I kind of feel like the writers are doing a grand job but it wouldn't hurt for them over the Christmas break to have a 1-8 mamrathon and take notes for detail cause I'm amazed with all the little details I forget everytime I have one. Dean to me would be def kissing by 14 possibly had sex by 16 considering the average for that type of dude is 15 unless you are David Coverdale and then it's about 12. Yep he could have been more convincing with Ellie. We actually had a twitter drive for a while called 'Get Dean Laid' cause as you can see in anything I write about him fic wise I have a strong belief sex is a strong aspect of Dean's personality his vitality, his MOJO and it goes along with his cheeky humour when he's at his best. Yeah Lydia was a monsterous bitch but it shouldn't have taken 2 seasons.
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They did drop the ball on Dean's PTSD, and they could have shown a stronger parallel between Dean having survivor's guilt when Cas was left behind and Sam having it when he was the only one left in the lab after the S7 finale, but again they didn't show what happened to Sam between that and meeting Amelia. I think we can just agree that the first half of S8 was a mess.
This season ... I just wish they'd pay more attention to the minutiae as Glass put it because canon does matter. If fans can't trust them to get that stuff right, why should we trust them with the big picture? I enjoyed the old school lighting and camera work of the past couple of episodes. They were scarier and had tighter plots. I don't care for the eps that have two plots going on at once. They seem rushed and unfocused. I used to really like Cas, but I think they've just been scrambling for something to do with him for three seasons now. He's become the third wheel for me, and his war in heaven has become like Vietnam. It just drags on and on with ever changing players. Meh.
I suppose that Dean tricking Sam into letting Ezekiel in is supposed to be like Sam's "betrayal" in partnering with Ruby. I don't like the continued violation of Sam's agency as a plot device in the show, but maybe it is time that Dean be the one to screw up so royally since both Sam and Cas have gone down the path to hell with good intentions. I want to like this season, but they haven't convinced me I should yet.
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To be honest I would be kind of Po'd if this change was some kind of call from the home front of his 'Real' life. Jensen and Dean are two separate entities, two different personas and I would hate to think he would compromise the integrity of Dean and compromise his well established character in order to appease his totally separate private life so I hope that's not the case cause to me kissing is a far more intimate act than shirtless ness, you sign up for a gig like Dean then these are the jobs you do. As has been the case you skew a characters reality and break the disbelief when you start pandering to outside forces who ever they maybe, it's whole ass or nothing (not literally) when it comes to a character like Dean. No half assing it.
Also being meek now would be like waving to the horse as it ran the opposite way from the stable you were locking. I've seen Ten Inch Hero and SPN so even I have seen them both shirtless and they have nothing to be hiding. Also it's on film for celluloid eternity already it will be seen and commented on by people who know your kids. I was kind of worried it was a self conscience thing on Jensen's part because he's older I hope that's not the case either to be honest I don't care how firm or not Dean's body is and I don't think Dean would either in that situation he would be to occupied by getting with a chick from his good dreams.
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The problem with Cas has been the fandom response to him and Misha. They feel they have to elevate his character time when I'm going to be blatantly honest here, they don't. I really appreciate Cas as a character and like Misha but SPN to me is a pyramid and from the day they killed off John that 3 person topper became a two only. Sam and Dean are the central heart. the next tier down Bobby, Cas, Crowley and so on and so on now. Last season Kevin was second tier now he's pushed to third. Second tier this season is prob Zeke, Cas Abaddon and Crowley Jody could potentially be a third tier character now if they were savy along side Charley. My point is the second to mid tiers of the pyramid characters rotate in and out of prevalence. The top tier is the bros solid never changing and the bottom of the pyramid changes per episode they are the supporting cast.
I think Cas is a secondary character. Although at the same time because they have gone down the evac heaven follow the tablets route he is a very central secondary character at the moment. secondary on the second tier only to Zeke
But it's the bro's perspective and presence that takes us in and out of the stories of the SPN world and their interaction with those events is the heart. So I feel Cas is an important secondary character but not as central to the frame as he has been pushed for example. The CW ad has Sam, Dean and Cas pushing Cas to a character level on the tier he's not.
Really they should have had Sam, Dean first tier and Cas and Sam blue eyed as Zeke two secondary characters if they wanted him in that ad. The PR would never have put Abaddon on the ad because they think fandom would pee their pants at the disruption of eye candy ( how bloody shallow do they think we are) and Crowley would be classed as too old sorry Mark.
Their other option would have been to have Sam, Dean, Cas and Kevin if they didn't want to give the Zeke game away prematurely, that would have reflected the two star characters and two secondary characters who in season 8 were lynch pin to the story which they are continuing on into this season.
If they play mid season right tomorrow night then the pay off for Cas's Nam will be well worth the drag but it will now be Sam and Dean's fight. Cas's existance in the bro's life and their experience of watching and being players with him in this struggle has led to the expected his background lays the foundations for their big battle as it did with Michael and Lucifer. As it will when they become central to Angel Royale the worlds fate will rest ultimately on Sam and Dean.
I do like this season I ave to say, yes there are things I would change but ultimately the start has been strong it all hangs on mid-season and how well tey utilies the plot and army of characters at their disposal. I feel some characters have been thrown away at times i.e Crowley and Kevin but that could be turned good in a heartbeat with the right plot choices. I'm glad Charlie is in OZ cause I love her but she has no place in this fight she is from another friendship group in their life....
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I agree on the ads. There's really no need to push Castiel to that position other than fan service.
I hope they plan something important for Charlie though. Otherwise what was the point of that ep. I feel sometimes that they lose focus. They introduced Bartholomew and then dropped him. Abaddon has been sporadic in the plotline. Everything does hang on the mid-season eps. I think that the fallout of Dean's agreement with Ezekiel must play an important part of this. Again, a decision that Dean made to save Sam will have celestial implications, I think.
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The Oz ep, man there was just so much wrong with it on the technical end. My guy, better known around here as Scruffy, was pausing every ten seconds to rail against how you couldn't hook that old analogue computer to a modern computer, and there was no harddrive to store anything on it to download anyway. *headdesk* How could they get that so wrong? And Charlie ran off with Dorothy before doing what she came there to do, which was get that map to alert them to where angels were. Oy! So, yeah, I hope there some bigger purpose to Charlie than representation.
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I liked Dorothy I like Suzy to cause contray to what I hear about folk kicking off about Suzy being strong handed by Dean(seriously were these peeps watching the show I was watching?) Suzy was calling the shots Dean was a comedic fumbling fan boy LOL. She was a down to earth caring strong character. To me anyway. As a person who can admire beauty in another woman as a sister female but has never been attracted to the same sex I sometimes dismay with the fact that strong women are often like Charlie portrayed as gay It's great that the lesbian community has so many strong role models it's just nice now and again to meet one who can be a fab strong character and still love men now and again, to get the full role model experience from a strong female character as opposed to only being able to partially identify with her if that makes sense??
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I liked Suzy a lot. I don't get the kids who are blasting Dean for hooking up with her. He was being an awkward fanboy. It was sort of cute and sort of uncomfortable almost. She may have wanted to leave sex work behind when she started a new life, but she went to the opposite extreme and though better of it with Dean. She may have had issues to work out, but she was an adult and made her own choice. He didn't push her into it.
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Me either Dean and Suzy were a great pairing the only issue as we have already said was the minimalist way their hook up was handled there def could have been an extention to that hook up. Or a potential revisit.
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The problem with Cas has been the fandom response to him and Misha. They feel they have to elevate his character time when I'm going to be blatantly honest here, they don't. I really appreciate Cas as a character and like Misha but SPN to me is a pyramid and from the day they killed off John that 3 person topper became a two only. Sam and Dean are the central heart. the next tier down Bobby, Cas, Crowley and so on and so on now. Last season Kevin was second tier now he's pushed to third. Second tier this season is prob Zeke, Cas Abaddon and Crowley Jody could potentially be a third tier character now if they were savy along side Charley. My point is the second to mid tiers of the pyramid characters rotate in and out of prevalence. The top tier is the bros solid never changing and the bottom of the pyramid changes per episode they are the supporting cast.
I think Cas is a secondary character. Although at the same time because they have gone down the evac heaven follow the tablets route he is a very central secondary character at the moment. secondary on the second tier only to Zeke
But it's the bro's perspective and presence that takes us in and out of the stories of the SPN world and their interaction with those events is the heart. So I feel Cas is an important secondary character but not as central to the frame as he has been pushed for example. The CW ad has Sam, Dean and Cas pushing Cas to a character level on the tier he's not.
Really they should have had Sam, Dean first tier and Cas and Sam blue eyed as Zeke two secondary characters if they wanted him in that ad. The PR would never have put Abaddon on the ad because they think fandom would pee their pants at the disruption of eye candy ( how bloody shallow do they think we are) and Crowley would be classed as too old sorry Mark.
Their other option would have been to have Sam, Dean, Cas and Kevin if they didn't want to give the Zeke game away prematurely, that would have reflected the two star characters and two secondary characters who in season 8 were lynch pin to the story which they are continuing on into this season.
If they play mid season right tomorrow night then the pay off for Cas's Nam will be well worth the drag but it will now be Sam and Dean's fight. Cas's existance in the bro's life and their experience of watching and being players with him in this struggle has led to the expected his background lays the foundations for their big battle as it did with Michael and Lucifer. As it will when they become central to Angel Royale the worlds fate will rest ultimately on Sam and Dean.
I do like this season I ave to say, yes there are things I would change but ultimately the start has been strong it all hangs on mid-season and how well tey utilies the plot and army of characters at their disposal. I feel some characters have been thrown away at times i.e Crowley and Kevin but that could be turned good in a heartbeat with the right plot choices. I'm glad Charlie is in OZ cause I love her but she has no place in this fight she is from another friendship group in their life....
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We still have to ovecome the how Sam found out, the how he survives without Zeke or if he can even get him out of his body. I mean if they get Zeke out it sounds like physically at best Sam will end up in a care home he is so damaged unless Cas or a character stronger than Cas can heal him. Cas said he was damaged in ways even he couldn't heal. Either that or they trap an unconcious Zeke inside Sam. Either way the dust is going to have to part settle on battle at least for recriminations to really fly.
Dean has been down this road to well intentioned lies before last time he ended up in hell for it. Although in the past he has been known to be a bit one rule for Dean one rule for everyone else about these things and I think they have come to a maturity level now, Sam especially where that just won't cut it anymore. I think the continued violation of Sam is because he is the original Supernatural imbued being of the two bro's up until Michael Dean was the fully human big bro protecting his 'theres something different about him' little bro who had the slightly supernaturally special something. I don't know horror very well but I suppose you could say Sam is Carol Ann something in his being absorbs and draws these phenomenon. Dean's all to human and doing his best
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As for the continued violation of Sam's agency, this time with Dean's permission, it is becoming a little too horrific for me. I have a friend who quit watching two seasons ago because of what she termed "Sam abuse." He was ready to die at the end of last season. I just wonder how much more can they damage the poor guy and have him survive. What is their end game? I hope it isn't A. become an angel or B. accept Lucifer a la End!Verse.
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I was hoping earlier in the season that he would be healed, Ezekiel would refuse to leave, the whole ejection thing would be a lie, and Dean would offer himself as a vessel to make amends to Sam. That would have been an interesting twist, and Dean needs to learn what it's like to be the one without free will. The other thing that would have been if Ezekiel had underestimated Sam, and Sam had subsumed the angel when he turned out not to be a friend and used him as a power source. I mean if they insist on tying Sam to the supernatural, why not let him be a human with supernatural powers and use them for good?
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The thing about Ezekiel promising to leave Sam when Sam is healed enough is where would he go? He needs a vessel, right? And Sam is the best vessel there is. Dean's a close second, so ... I don't know. I just have serious doubts about Ezekiel's sincerity.
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Yeah, in solving the non-existent problem of Dylan looking older than 14, they created more problems. My headcanon has always been that Dean lost his virginity at 13-14 -- even before I read John's journal. That just confirmed it. I was completely floored by the kiss scene in Bad Boys. I don't think tptb realize how something like that jerks the viewer out of the narrative.
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They really did give themselves headaches out of nothing and I agree I expected Robin and Dean to be each others firsts, I mean what a great parallel that would have been Dean's first sexual experience followed by an ep that was him making his way back to the sexual fold. Although they morally or legally can't show under age sex they could have alluded to sex. It was kind of like they were fearful to rock the apple cart and in doing so they went to fluffy and puppy love it was very sweet but not ness the Dean we know which means that in order to restore narrative and character balance somewhere down the road they will have to create a complimenting ep that explains Dean's sexual awakening and development into the man of strongly sexual and vital personality he became.
Jerking viewers out of narrative the huge no no in fictional creative drama based media. The breaking of 'the suspension of disbelief' A cardinal narrative sin espec in a show where the character history and story is so complex tangible and strongly and beautifully established as a self standing alt reality.
For me the excessively toned down sex scene is the model I expected to see in 'Bad Boys' only with a sweet innocence and nervous build up. Meanwhile 'Rock and a Hard Place' should have properly shown a sex scene, circa Dean of old, laying on the floor intense glances, movement, heavy kissing, removal of clothing etc.
Dean does gentle but intensely sexual and I think like he was with Anna in the Impala that type of intensity and allude to sex would have been perfect with Suzy they are both getting their feet wet again. Even if they had panned away from their moving bodies following Dean's hand towards where his shirt was or into the pocket of the jeans he still wore and we saw him pull a condom out of his pocket (appropriate turned on noises in the background) Then that would have said volumes without seeing a thing. I.e. I'm over my hang ups with Lydia, Ive learned my lesson, yes sex is going happen here with Suzy, then fade to Honor in the bunker. They created an anti climax in which if you blink you wonder did they actually have sex or just make out really intensely if the goddess hadn't nabbed them we still wouldn't be sure.
They built up to it beautifully the perfect balance of humour, heat and shyness and then chickened out of giving us nods to days of old. Which just left an unsatisfied feeling, As you say they are giving us such great nods to early seasons a more sexual sex scene would have been fitting.
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