Thanks for such a funny recap! Your threesome jokes soften the sting of some of my canon gripes with this episode, and made me feel better about it on the whole.
I LOL'd at your freakout over the angel feathers, sorry. Because of course in Destiel-land (aka S8), Dean has a few stashed in the trunk. And now we know how Baby travels a zillion miles in 3 minutes--the angel feathers up her ass make her light and limber!
My main gripe (not a new song for me) was simply that Sam had zero to do, as was the case last week, and many of the eps to date. Sigh, it's not hard to make me happy in this regard, people! I get that Dean is more fun to write, and that the show is his POV. Just have him do ONE THING per episode. I did like your observation that this retcon might really be a good way to interest Sam in hunting again. That gave me some hope.
I fell on the side of "no one wants to remember Sera existed" rather than "Dean and Sam are regressing in the face of stress" re: their attitudes towards John. I kind of feel that way about their attitudes toward everything this season. There COULD be a reason they are acting as they are, but it is NOT SUPPLIED ONSCREEN.
I kind of disagree with you that being a retconned legacy MoL devalue's John's backstory as a normal guy--for all intents and purposes he still was, psychologically, much in the way that Dean was a "normal" guy to Sammy's part-demon psychologically until they dubbed them both angel condoms in S5. The character motivations remain consistent for me because the characters believed in their own self concepts.
LOL no one will ever make literal angel feathers okay with me, especially considering how important the true forms (and their destructive power) are supposed to be. It just.does.not.make.sense.
But, yeah, maybe this is a way to get Sam back into things. I can see that being a good catalyst, although I hope they don't make it all black'n'white brawn vs. brain thing with the two brothers. They should be a mix of both things.
I disagree with your disagreement (lol) re: John. I think the retcon changes him psychologically, and that's the difference. And I'm not really using "normal" meaning "not supernatural" but rather as a guy who started out with issues from an early age vs. a guy who did not. Dean always had issues (obvs) so he's never normal in that context. I mean, I don't hate the retcon, I just prefer the other way, you know? It still works more or less with John's characterization, and you could actually fanwank that Dean was projecting himself on John's situation and that John wasn't as lonely and angry of a boy as he thinks.
Hey, I'd be all over Sassy but Dean's too jealous to share this season.
OK, yeah, you're right about John and normal--I was missing your point.
I think this is one of those retcons that I'll accept (re: John) because honestly the happy puppyish John of In the Beginning never worked for me. I mean, wasn't he supposed to be a war vet at that point? Getting from him to the John Winchester we see is such an epic characterization leap that it crosses the line from "tragic story" to "a little unbelieveable". Getting there from a more cautious, more independent John Winchester who never felt quite like he fit in (loving Twitter stepfather aside) makes a little more sense to me.
That being said, I still don't like how black and white-ly they handled it re: the boys' reaction, AND it broke continuity like whoa. Your postcard made me LOL.
The most tragic thing is that any number of us fans would provide these analytic services for FREE--they could improve their characterizations/continuity so easily with essentially slave labor. We are slaves to our love.
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Date: 2013-02-06 06:00 pm (UTC)I LOL'd at your freakout over the angel feathers, sorry. Because of course in Destiel-land (aka S8), Dean has a few stashed in the trunk. And now we know how Baby travels a zillion miles in 3 minutes--the angel feathers up her ass make her light and limber!
My main gripe (not a new song for me) was simply that Sam had zero to do, as was the case last week, and many of the eps to date. Sigh, it's not hard to make me happy in this regard, people! I get that Dean is more fun to write, and that the show is his POV. Just have him do ONE THING per episode. I did like your observation that this retcon might really be a good way to interest Sam in hunting again. That gave me some hope.
I fell on the side of "no one wants to remember Sera existed" rather than "Dean and Sam are regressing in the face of stress" re: their attitudes towards John. I kind of feel that way about their attitudes toward everything this season. There COULD be a reason they are acting as they are, but it is NOT SUPPLIED ONSCREEN.
I kind of disagree with you that being a retconned legacy MoL devalue's John's backstory as a normal guy--for all intents and purposes he still was, psychologically, much in the way that Dean was a "normal" guy to Sammy's part-demon psychologically until they dubbed them both angel condoms in S5. The character motivations remain consistent for me because the characters believed in their own self concepts.
In short: angel feathers and incest threesomes.
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Date: 2013-02-06 09:28 pm (UTC)*renders garments*
And, please, that's Sam's trunk too. Sassy, obviously.
But, yeah, maybe this is a way to get Sam back into things. I can see that being a good catalyst, although I hope they don't make it all black'n'white brawn vs. brain thing with the two brothers. They should be a mix of both things.
I disagree with your disagreement (lol) re: John. I think the retcon changes him psychologically, and that's the difference. And I'm not really using "normal" meaning "not supernatural" but rather as a guy who started out with issues from an early age vs. a guy who did not. Dean always had issues (obvs) so he's never normal in that context. I mean, I don't hate the retcon, I just prefer the other way, you know? It still works more or less with John's characterization, and you could actually fanwank that Dean was projecting himself on John's situation and that John wasn't as lonely and angry of a boy as he thinks.
Incest threesomes though, yes.
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Date: 2013-02-06 11:10 pm (UTC)OK, yeah, you're right about John and normal--I was missing your point.
I think this is one of those retcons that I'll accept (re: John) because honestly the happy puppyish John of In the Beginning never worked for me. I mean, wasn't he supposed to be a war vet at that point? Getting from him to the John Winchester we see is such an epic characterization leap that it crosses the line from "tragic story" to "a little unbelieveable". Getting there from a more cautious, more independent John Winchester who never felt quite like he fit in (loving Twitter stepfather aside) makes a little more sense to me.
That being said, I still don't like how black and white-ly they handled it re: the boys' reaction, AND it broke continuity like whoa. Your postcard made me LOL.
The most tragic thing is that any number of us fans would provide these analytic services for FREE--they could improve their characterizations/continuity so easily with essentially slave labor. We are slaves to our love.