[39] 9.8 icons & reaction

[tebtosca]

Not too many icons this week because I'm hosting Thanksgiving tomorrow and have been attempting to clean my house most of the day lol. Hope all my American flisters have a great holiday, and all my non-American flisters eat a shit ton of food in solidarity \o/



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And some not-so-deep thoughts:



-Can we all just agree that the writing is terrible?
-I mean, for a long time.
-And if you loved S8 and are outraged about S9
-Then you probably have "destielwuvshugs" in your tumblr name
-Shush, it's true
-With that being said, this one was filler
-Loved Sheriff Sassy, who remains flawless
-Loved her haircut and her Sheriff jacket
-And that she's finding her place in the world again
-And remains uncertain about some things and secure and strong about others
-Plus she ships wincest
-I mean, hello, people! :D
-You could tell the virgins by their eyebrows
-It's true
-Science
-Not sure why they were using their real names
-I expected John Holmes or something
-Glad to see the Death Peen is resistant to LOLCANON
-That sex monologue felt like I was spying on a meeting at Ackles Army HQ
-Why does the fat girl steal the cookies?
-I mean, that bothered me the most about the whole episode lol
-That's probably my ass talking, though
-Oh, I take it back
-The stupidest thing was Dean not answering Sam's call
-That was dumb
-The sex scene itself didn't bother me like it did some people
-I'm all for two consenting human adults having sex
-Especially on a show where sex usually involves noncon or monsters
-And how fucking sad is that?
-Low standards, yo
-I found the line about "you're the good dreams" quite telling
-Proof of my theory that Dean clings to/enjoys the small comforts
-Sex/porn/burgers/classic rock/making fun of his little brother's stupid hair
-For small, happy moments in a really shitty life
-We take comfort where we can, and there's nothing wrong with that
-The scene was cheesy because it was badly written as a porn pastiche
-But I didn't see any sort of coercion
-He was fangirling her like Dr. Sexy almost
-Suzy still had the DVDS, which tells me that she perhaps "missed that" like she later says
-People are often shamed into thinking sex is bad, especially if they were in sex work
-And sometimes they go too far into the opposite direction
-And right into the arms of another form of manipulation
-Yes, I mean religion.
-And then someone tells her not to be ashamed
-And that she has provided comfort
-And she (rather enthusiastically) decides to take what she wants
-Which was her choice and again, consent matters
-And only feels some guilt later when she's "punished", which is of course a fear embedded in the act of shaming
-But, as we know, God in this universe is banging strippers in Australia, SO.
-So, yes, awkward writing/pacing and cheesy, but I'm not layering angst on what looked like a good time had by all
-And to people that haven't realized Dean Winchester is an asshole yet...
-Oh, you!
-On a completely shallow note, Suzy was super cute and looked way hot with Jensen
-Back to the Sam Winchester Unconsciousness Tour of 2013
-I was waiting for Jody to die so Zeke heal her as Dean cradled her face, voice breaking
-Sam being dead inside...does that make Sam/Dean necro?
-Another Sam/Ruby parallel!
-This isn't going to end well, is it?

Comments

[pjmarshall80.livejournal.com]

You're right we didn't see them that way but that's the way to me two folk in such a hurt and desperate place would have acted. As you say desperate clumbsy the pinging buttons not in a Mills and Boon sense more grabbing for something to hold. There relationship didn't confuse me but the way it was portrayed did if that makes sense? It was like some kind of dream sequence or indie film where the director decided to only show the more mundane moments of daily life that happened in between the emotional events it was surreal almost.

I kept thinking I had missed a scene somewhere. As usual those involved did their up most with the scene they were given just those scenes weren't the best at A explaining their relationship and B making the viewer feel empathy towards Amelia and to SAm's heartbreak and comfort senario. Maybe that's the way to describe it like souless Sam had no empathy. scenes without soul get no empathy? It was like the writers had so much to say that they couldn't squish it in only they accidently cut out the explanitory scenes instead of all fills. They had a similar problem with Purg you were left feeling like all the scenes you really needed and wanted to see got cut. Maybe if they had reunited the bros in ep 3 or 2 instead or flash backed more I mean the whole Cas got left in Purg thing could have remained from Dean's perspective when he escaped till a much later ep just as it did. Introducing us to Benny first in Purg would not have deminished the impressivness of Dean resurrecting him a few eps later than they did.

We didn't get a real chance to establish the setting so a few eps seeing Sam and Amelia fly on the wall and Dean and his mental state in purg etc would have been great. Then in say ep 3 have Dean come back have a bit more viewer only insight into Dean's PTSD his shiftiness over Benny and reunion with Sam. Then run from there. I mean I'm no show writer they have tough job to do and they do it well. Just 8 started a little slow for me a few of the eps were good eps but wouldn't have bothered the arc if they had been missing or altered. They kind of were no nutritionally padded when the same eps could have been heartily nurishing us with Purg and SAm and Amelia info if that makes sense?? By the mid season they were on to form again plot and direction wise espec with the whole trials issue it's just a shame both the SAm and Amelia and Purg storylines both got kind of lost in translation. tbc.....

[spnmonster.livejournal.com]

The bigger problem for me was that they didn't show how Sam's world imploded and rained down around him. I don't understand why they wouldn't show why Sam quit hunting and didn't look for Dean. Fans who love Sam just didn't buy it, and fans who don't vilified him ... again. I think that showing that time period would have been far more compelling than seeing his domestic life with Amelia anyway. Gamble did a far better job of showing the balance of Dean's life with Lisa and Ben, than Carver did Sam with Amelia and Riot. He should have taken a lesson from that.

Purgatory had such potential, but you're right, we really didn't much of it. While I wouldn't have minded seeing more of Purgatory, I have no desire to see more of Sam and Amelia. What I saw didn't hold my interest, but it would have been great to have seen what happened between 7.23 and when Sam met Amelia. That would told us what we needed to know about his state of mind. It could have been done in a montage even like when Dean finally died in Mystery Spot, and who wrote that? Oh yeah, Carver.

I agree that both storylines kind of got lost in translation. There were a couple of times that I felt as though the ep plot and flashbacks were supposed to parallel or inform one another, but then it would get dropped. By mid-season hiatus, it seemed like all that had just been to turn the tension up to 11. I know fans who quit watching because it just got to ugly between the boys and they were tired of Sam being vilified. That's sad. I hope tptb don't ratchet up the ugliness between the boys when Sam finds out the truth this season.

[pjmarshall80.livejournal.com]

I totally agree and I got racked through the mill for saying it. I don't just mean SAm and Amelia as you say I mean from the moment Dean became goo and SAm was lost.

There were people who ripped a hole in Sam for not searching. But the way I saw it the poor guy was done, He lost his soul, His mind, went to hell, lost most of the people he loved, drove himself to dispair to get Dean out of hell, watched Dean die hundreds of times in a day and and then when he died again spent 6 months avenging his death. So many people seemed to forget he started season 7 with Lucifer using his mind as a chew toy he had been through so much he was at bottom. Even Dean by episode 4 or so was making me want to punch him and tell him to wise up, because his whole over dramatics about Sam not searching was partly 'the best form of defence is attack' because he knew he was being shady about Benny and he felt guilty. As for the whole Sam and Amelia aspect I saw it in Rock and a Hard place and I had seen it before in the ep (I'm rubbish with ep names) where Dean ends up in the 40's with Ness.

Sam and Jody have a chemistry a quiet, low key, gentle vibe that makes them very comfortable together. Why at the start of 8 could Sam have not gone and found Jody. They have been through a lot of stuff together Sam after all put her son to rest, she understood the hunt life they both lost Bobby and cared for the same people. She has been left to deal with so much alone yet she was important enough to the boys to be one of Crowley's targets the last one no less and he was picking off targets they were more connected to as the deaths went on upping his game.

I think sheltering with Jody for the year made more sense there didn't have to be romance cause they have a caring bond, but there could have been if they wanted to boggle Dean's mind :) Also I no for a fact she would have knocked sense into the two of them far sooner. CAuse to me at the end of the day the only one who had a right to be apoco pissed at Sam was Kevin and he was over it. I agree Sera was really good at that kind of thing.

[spnmonster.livejournal.com]

Yes! I've said the exact same thing about Sam going to Jody. His statement that he was completely alone wasn't true. He had Jody! That would have made sense and been an interesting storyline, but then Sam would have had someone to back him up on his state of mind and they wouldn't have been able to create all that tension and drama between the boys.

It seemed like they wanted to reset the boys back to season 1 with Sam living a normal life and Dean wanting to hunt with his brother by his side. Unfortunately, they didn't give us any of the warmth of that relationship, just the bad blood. I hope they don't make that mistake again.

[pjmarshall80.livejournal.com]

Me too. sorry still chuckling at the 'nipple clause' have they heard of a vest he could have strip to a vest. Anyway back on point. Given Dean's stubborn assedness over Benny I think they could have still had the tension, with Jody. It might even have allowed a bit more exploration into Dean's PTSD and viewers would have had more symapathy if in flashback and discription Jody had been the one telling Dean the real home truths about how bad and low it got for SAm. Don't get me wrong I didn't hate the cursed coin ep but I wouldn't have missed it not being there it didn't need to take an evil coin to get them to that break through point. We def don't need anymore bad blood.